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Ryre's avatar
Feb 11Edited

I think that you are far too credulous about pro-immigration claims, even in writing about highbrow misinformation. Take crime rates: what I have read is that U.S. law enforcement does not routinely collect information on whether people accused of crimes are immigrants. And immigrants charged with crimes are often deported, so counting immigrants in jails and prisons results in an under-estimate, as those who were deported aren’t counted. Immigrants are also less like to report crime, so immigrant on immigrant crime is undercounted.

Furthermore, second-generation immigrants, I.e. the children of immigrants, is often where the trouble shows up. The immigrants themselves are both to some extent a select, motivated group, and rooted in the values of the old country. Their children, however, are not selected, and find themselves trapped between two cultures. It’s often the children of immigrants who who wind up in gangs or who are drawn to terrorist movements. That crime isn’t literally committed by immigrants, but it is caused by immigration. Finally, immigrants commit a vast amount of mostly-undetected crime in the form of using false documents and such in order to work.

The fact is that we don’t track some criminal-justice statistics nationally as well as people assume. At least until recently there was no national tracking of killings by police, for instance. You’d think we’d have good numbers on how many guests in our country commit crimes. Seems like a good thing to know! But we don’t. We have estimates. And for the reasons given above, those estimates are probably far too low.

Taylor Trummel's avatar

While politicians may not acknowledge tradeoffs willingly, economic tradeoffs are an explicit part of many ballot propositions in subnational policymaking. If a US state or city wants to raise taxes to fund some kind of integration or immigrant support program, they sometimes put it to the voters. 

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