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Jeff Giesea's avatar

There's a practical reason to support liberal nationalism: it's a more durable antidote to de-growth socialism than Trumpism. I like how you ground it in both principle and empirical reality, which makes it consistent with the “citizenism” many of us desire, where the primary purpose of government is to serve its citizens.

Michael Byrne's avatar

Really interesting and persuasive. I have one question if I may. In 16th century Ireland (where I'm from but most places are like this) it would have been easy to make an empirical argument that a national polity/identity is not possible because people's identity and 'groupishness' is very strongly related to their clan. So while it might be a nice dream to create an Irish nation it is simply not realistic because of people's innate ties to family/local geography based identities. This turned out not to be true, despite the fact had a political scientist existed at the time they could have found copious empirical evidence to support this view. Obviously a lot changed to make national polities/identities possible, including economic structures, technology, literacy and so forth.

My point is, there is a strong argument that currently nationalism provides the strongest grounding for political community and state legitimacy. But it is not so clear to me that 'the nature of human psychology' confines us to this form of organisation into the future.

As an aside, the argument here is quite similar to Wolfgang Streek's Taking Back Control

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